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As wrong as it may seem, purely from a emotion, political free perspective, did Mamdani have a point in his PC speech about the islamist terror attack outside his own place?
Meaning, yes one may argue that anti islamist takeover is very far from “abhorrent” as he stated, it IS a REAL issue (unlike he thinks maybe because he’s one himself), it is a very big problem.
However, he made a point of free speech, and to be fair, he has a point, and, there are pluses and minuses to that.
The pluses are well, as you can see, some people were able to hold their anti islamist takeover protest, and the minuses are that people like Mamdani are allowed to as well. No…?
To say some of the stuff he has said in the past may not fall under that category, being that incitement cannot be included in free speech, however, as ludicrous as it may be for him to say so, all he said was he abhorred it, but upheld its rights, as it is free speech…
What do you guys think?He is living and working [as mayor] in the USA, so he has to at least pay lip service to American rules. That doesn’t stop the Muslims and other vilde chayos from seeing which direction the wind is blowing in NYC. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were wonderful when most of the population of the USA were people who actually believe in those values. But now more often than not, the Constitution is invoked to ‘protect’ people who have no interest in anyone’s freedom other than their own.
OF COURSE MAYOR ZOHRAN MAMDANI ????”? IS RIGHT!! That’s why I voted for him ?”?, and I’m proud of it! 🙂
You do realize the from the perspective of groups such as Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, ISIS, or Al-Queda (not to mention the Shiite regime in Iran), the Mamdanis would be considered extreme heretics worthy of execution.
And since attack was by private citizens on other private citizens, it doesn’t raise constitutional issues, since the First Amendment only restricts the government (it would be assault with intent to kill, and perhaps acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign power).
Anyone who voted for ZM or gives him any kvod is messhugah. The man is an IslamoMarxist and is an enemy of Jews and all non Muslim non communists.
Op, can you please articulate your argument?
votekosher – when you show us your doctorate in psychiatry, we will continue this discussion. Otherwise, as they say in Yiddish: ??? ????!
The Mayor attended the major annual pre-Pesach Chasdei Lev food distrubution organized by the Frum community.
We can officially confirm the Mayor is no longer The Big Boogeyman he was made out for by the Zionists.
Funny that I agree with @UJM, even though I am pro zionist.
On the other hand, i think in general free speech is dangerous. I don’t go for the american holy grail about free speech. i think it can rile people up to attack. The founding fathers never envisioned social media., They surely ain’t prophets. It is not like our holy torah that can’t be changed. i don’t like free speech. Maybe a Europe style free speech where hate speech is more banned is appropriate. The american style is dangerous both from the right and leftChaim 87
Controlling free speech is like controlling the oceon. Even if you controll what people say they will eventually gather in groups and whisper their true feelings. Social media is like having the entir world in a group setting gossiping about everything on the latest community scandal except that this isnt a small group it’s everyone on earth and this isn’t one community but every scandal across the globe. You cannot put words or actions back into a box. Someone is going to scrutinize it, spread rumers, talk about it. Because the way humans learn right or wrong, learn life principles concepts and everyhing on earth is watching other people and through communal scandels. It’s inevitable. You don’t want people to talk about you or you want to try to control hate speech don’t give them something to talk about. Cuz if your doing something wrong, morally corrupt the world is our stage now and someone especially if it’s a group of people, the world is going to talk about it. We cannot contro others but we _can_ control ourselves and our own actions.what we can do is make amends, make our scales fair change our behavior, find redemption with God. Cuz the world will always talk and you cannot control the oceon. Those impossible waves once hitting short can never truly be taken back. The world is watching us now. It’s too lateChaim, see Daniel Feldman True Lies, False Facts for in-depth discussion of trade-offs of free media amd loshon horo. Free speech is a necessary part of democratic governance, people need to have as much info as possible about those they appoint. Where exactly the nation decided to draw the line is not that important – as long as the democratic process works. The hard part becomes when observant Jews are entering this process – do we use same tools or do we follow higher path? It seems t me that at least we should be better than others and try to be yashar. Take Joe Lieberman for example – he was a politician and some of his positions and statements could be viewed as artificial and self-serving. But he was viewed as a moral person.
It looks like the frum community can confirm that Satmar, again, got it right. It was worthwhile and necessary to build bridges with Mayor Mamdani. Satmar did it before the election, so they’ll, once again, have a better relationship with the NYC government. And the rest of the frum community started building their bridges with Mamdani now after the election.
מה רע באיש מיהו יכול לפרט
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