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April 7, 2026 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #2533753rescueParticipant
Extreme appeals to authority negatively impact conscious and critical thinking by substituting the judgment of an individual for a thorough examination of the argument or evidence, which disregards the need for independent verification. This reliance creates a state of “epistemic dependency” where individuals accept claims based solely on the status of the speaker rather than the content of the message, often leading to the acceptance of incorrect or incomplete information.
Key negative impacts include:
Suppression of Critical Inquiry: Unquestioningly adopting an expert’s position prevents the evaluation of actual merits, effectively bypassing critical thinking and logical reasoning.
Cognitive Bias and Error: The “appeal to authority” fallacy acts as a cognitive shortcut where people prioritize the speaker’s prestige over empirical data, potentially causing communities to hold onto incorrect views for years (e.g., the historical persistence of the 24-chromosome theory due to a single authority).
Organizational and Social Stagnation: Excessive respect for authority can lead to groupthink, stifling engagement, diminishing individual responsibility, and creating toxic environments characterized by fear and a lack of open communication.
Moral and Intellectual Passivity: Relying on authoritative pronouncements rather than personal reason results in “borrowed wealth” that offers no real knowledge to the recipient, fostering a habit of authority bias that hinders the development of autonomous moral agents.April 10, 2026 11:45 am at 11:45 am #2533783ujmParticipantYou’re a member of the wrong religion. Judaism does not comport to your ethos.
April 10, 2026 11:46 am at 11:46 am #2534098shkoyach r noachParticipantThat’s a really interesting take, especially the idea of “epistemic dependency.” I agree that blindly deferring to authority can shut down critical thinking and make people accept claims without really understanding them.
At the same time, I think there’s a balance to strike. In a lot of areas—like science or medicine—we kind of have to rely on experts because we can’t personally verify everything. So the issue isn’t authority itself, but when it replaces reasoning instead of guiding it.
I also liked your point about how this can lead to long-term errors sticking around. It makes me wonder how many ideas today are accepted more because of who says them rather than how strong the evidence actually is.
Overall, I think you’re right that people need to stay mentally active and question things more, even when the source seems credible.April 12, 2026 11:19 am at 11:19 am #2534131rescueParticipantI don’t agree with fallowing scientific people either as they also use their authority to push agendas it’s the same game different elements. But I hear your point and your right. If we don’t verify what we are told we are liable to make life changing decisions that can impact generations
April 12, 2026 11:19 am at 11:19 am #2534144qwerty613ParticipantTo shkoyach r noach
I happen to agree with you but only to a certain extent. In 2023 I showed up at YWN and in the course of a certain thread I “admitted” that I watch TV. I was universally pilloried and one poster wrote, “watching TV is no different than eating a cheeseburger in Burger King.?” I made it clear that I wasn’t trying to convince anyone to get a TV, I was simply stating my situation. Eventually, I went to a Posek, and he told me that there’s no problem with watching TV. So how did it become ingrained in so much of the Yeshiva World that TV is the “Great Satan?” Decades ago, a certain Rabbi started a Crusade against the “Boob Tube.” and he was successful in developing followers even though there was no substance to his anti-TV rants. The reason I qualified my approbation of your comment is that it’s dangerous to endorse “rescue” who has publicly declared that one should not follow the laws of the Torah since they run counter to man’s free will.
April 12, 2026 11:19 am at 11:19 am #2534160Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantRambam “accepted emes regardless of a source”. In science also, there is a system of open publications that allows other knowledgeable people to verify what is published. So, if you are looking at a popular publication and there are several studies on the issue, you might rely on the exppertise. Still, context matter. While generally halakha defers to one doctor, R Mayer Twersly had a teshuva early on during covid where he explains that in this case of great uncertainty, we should consult several sources and act cautiously according to all of them. Now, our lack of knowledge about covid was not greater than medieval lack of knowledge about any diseases of the time, but we simply know better what we don’t know 🙂
April 12, 2026 11:20 am at 11:20 am #2534318dlmParticipantTorah @rescue, Torah @rescue what you are omitting from all your posts here and in ‘the coffeehouse/coffeeroom topic you started named, “Dehumanizing others” is Torah Knowledge’. You expound upon ideas that are not from Torah, but from your own fancies. You are a RASHA/Wicked Person. You are not of Torah nor are you Yiddishe/Jewish. Stick to the Torah and its related Seforim/Books/Scrolls. Stop expounding on your own personal non-Jewish non-Torah agenda. We are Jews here, not anti-Jewish. Be specifically Torah or leave these coffeehouse/coffeerooms flat.
April 12, 2026 11:20 am at 11:20 am #2534332yittishParticipantI agree with the dangers of epistemic dependency. That’s exactly why replacing the dogma of the Rambam with the dogma of The Lancet doesn’t make you a critical thinker, it just changes which robes you bow to.
Science isn’t resilient just because it says so. A real expert is someone who loses something when he’s wrong. Most “experts” today get tenure, grants, and TV spots. If their model blows up, you eat the downside, not them.
That’s not science. That’s scientism — a belief system with lab coats instead of bekishes. It inherits all the pathologies you listed: authority bias, groupthink, suppression of inquiry. “Peer review” becomes “peer pressure.” The 24-chromosome error lasted because no one wanted to contradict the big name. Same mechanism, different hat.
Antifragile systems don’t care about credentials. They care about survival. Water doesn’t ask if the engineer went to MIT. It finds the leak. Markets don’t ask if the Fed has a PhD. They reprice. When “science” becomes an institution that can’t be disconfirmed without career risk, it’s no longer science. It’s a guild. Guilds are fragile.
You’re correct that blind authority is dangerous. It’s also why a yeshiva isn’t a lab. The beis medrash isn’t built to test hypotheses; it’s built to transmit a mesorah. Its error-correction is chazara, machlokes l’shem shamayim, and 2,000 years of people trying to break it and failing.
Posting this here is like giving a lecture on peer review in the middle of Krias HaTorah. Not because the points are wrong — many aren’t — but because the forum has a different telos.
The beis medrash survived longer than any university because there’s a difference between mesorah & Kabbalah versus intellectual passivity. And there’s a very fine line where “epistemic dependency” can veer either to blind faith or to scientific dogma.
No human is immune to confirmation bias and narrative fallacy. That’s not a bug; it’s the operating system. We’re pattern-matching machines who tell ourselves stories so we can sleep. Scientists do it, rabbis do it, you do it, I do it.
The question isn’t “who’s unbiased?” Everyone’s biased. The question is “whose bias has been punished by reality for 3,000 years and lived?”
That’s why humbly accepting faith in Hashem isn’t a cop-out from thinking. It’s the recognition of epistemic limits that makes you reach outside the human box toward Hashem! You anchor to something outside your own head, something that outlived empires! That’s why Chazal say “al ta’amin b’atzmecha ad yom mos’cha”.
April 13, 2026 7:25 am at 7:25 am #2534592rescueParticipantDim I wouldn’t call someone a rasha. A rasha Is someone that does great evil like killing people or mass murderers.
Your calling people names from having a slight difference of oppinion that’s crazy talk. Calm down.
Second tell me one thing I said that wasn’t grounded in biblical principles.
Name one thingApril 13, 2026 7:25 am at 7:25 am #2534596ujmParticipantqwerty613:
I found the “Crusade”, as you ineptly put it, against television by the Rabbis “decades ago”. Except that it wasn’t by “a certain Rabbi”, but rather by over 40 of the most eminent Rabbis of the generation. Here’s partial list:
Rabbi Avrohom Pam
[Yeshivas Torah Vodaath]Rabbi Avrohom Chaim Levin
[Yeshivas Telz, Chicago]Rabbi Aaron Schechter
[Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin]Rabbi Binyomin Paler
[Yeshiva Mkor Chaim]Rabbi Binyomin Zeilberger
[Yeshiva Bais HaTalmud]Rabbi Chaim Baruch Wolpin
[Yeshivas Telz, Chicago]Rabbi Chaim Epstein
[Yesshiva Zichron Melech]Rabbi Chaim Stein
[Yeshivas Telz, Cleveland]Rabbi Elya Fischer
[Kollel Gur]Rabbi Elya Svei
[Yeshiva Gedola of Philadelphia]Rabbi Gavriel Giinzburg
[Yeshiva Ner Yisroel, Toronto]Rabbi Henach Leibowitz
[Yeshiva Rabbi Yisroel Meir]Rabbi Israel Meir Kagan
[Yeshiva Toras Chaim, Denver]Rabbi Joseph Rosenblum
[Yeshiva Shaarei Yosher]Rabbi Leib Bakst
[Yeshiva Bais Yehuda, Detroit]Rabbi Levi Krupenia
[Yeshiva Kamenitz, Toras Emes]Rabbi Lipa Margolis
[Yeshiva Torah Temima]Rabbi Malkiel Kotler
[Beis Medrash Govoha, Lakewood]Rabbi Meir Stern
[Yeshiva Gedola of Passaic]Rabbi Mordechai Gifter
[Yeshiva Telz, Cleveland]Rabbi Shmuel Berenbaum
[Yeshivas Mir]Rabbi Shmuel Kaminetzky
[Yeshiva Gedola of Philadelphia]Rabbi Shimon Shwab
[Rav, Khal Adas Yeshurun]Rabbi Shmuel Faivelson
[Bais Medrash LaTorah, Monsey]Rabbi Shrage Moshe Kalmanowitz
[Yishivas Mir]Rabbi Simcha Bunim Ehrenfeld
[Mattersdorfer Ruv, Yeshiva Ch’san Sofer]Rabbi Simch Schustal
[Yeshiva Bais Binyomin, Stanford]Rabbi Tuvia Golstein
[Yeshiva Emek Halocho]Rabbi Yaakov Perlow
[Novominsker Rebbe, Yeshiva Novominsk]Rabbi Yaakov Schnaidman
[Yeshiva Bais Moshe, Scranton]Rabbi Yaakov Weinberg
[Yeshiva Ner Yisroel, Baltimore]Rabbi Yechiel Perr
[Yeshiva Derech Ayson]Rabbi Yekusiel Bittersfeld
[Yeshiva Zichron Shneur]Rabbi Yisroel Perkowsky
[Yeshiva Bais HaTalmud]Rabbi Yitchok Feigelstock
[Yeshiva of Long Beach]Rabbi Yosef Harari Raful
[Yeshiva Ateret Torah]Rabbi Zecharya Gelly
[Rav K’hal Adas Yeshurun, Yeshiva Rabbi S.R. Hirsch]Rabbi Zelig Epstein
[Yeshiva Shaar HaTorah]But, thankfully, we here have the anonymous “Posek HaCR” qwerty613 who is far smarter, far more qualified, and far wiser than not only any one of the above Rabbis, but of all of them combined.
Unless coffee addict was correct in 2023 when you showed up at YWN.
In case anyone cares to read the text of the “Crusade” qwerty613 referred to, here it is:
Television: A Cry of Anguish and Appeal to Our Jewish Brethren ?
April 13, 2026 7:25 am at 7:25 am #2534597rescueParticipantQuerty calm down. First, tv kept out of homes is a very good thing because tv espouses the wrong value system and makes doing bad things look good. TV is a propaganda machine for living against basic morality. It normalizes morally corrupt behavior using acters we are familiar with so that monkey see monkey do. And tv and perhaps the education system to this day is prob the reason why anyone under 25 in the non Jewish world is confused about their gender. It doesn’t lead to life it leads to death….I personally can handle watching YouTube and the like and my own tv shows cus I’m old enough to discern these things but exposing this to family at a young age isn’t very wise so I agree it should be kept out of homes
Second I wouldn’t say its dangerous to endorse what I’m saying. Chill. I’m speaking againts sheeple speak because it turns people into the angry mob. There’s nothing wrong with learning and having a grasp of reality and understanding right and wrong and morality.
Explain to me one thing that I said that was grounded in facts and morality?
GoApril 13, 2026 7:26 am at 7:26 am #2534612qwerty613ParticipantTo dlm
I have no idea why YWN keeps printing this lunatic’s posts. He has every right to practice Judaism as he sees or doesn’t see fit and Hashem will then use His right to send him to hell. It’s really that simple.
To yittish
Not only are you completely correct, but you also write beautifully. At the end of the day, however, it all comes down to that jerk’s Gaavah. Rescue reminds me of a Reform Rabbi who wrote in the now defunct Jewish Week, “Maimonides is a Rabbi and I’m a Rabbi. Why is his opinion any more valid than mine?” Rescue is convinced that he knows more than all our Sages and he even has the hubris to state that Hashem doesn’t want us to keep the Torah.
April 13, 2026 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #2534949rescueParticipantQuerty you have a problem cuz there’s nothing I’m saying that doesn’t make perfect sense yet you have a problem with it? Why? Cuz it doesn’t conform to your groupthink. Exactly what I’m talking about you have no real comeback to refute any of my points so you villify me instead of having a real argument. That’s some real fear there. Why are you so afraid. That you’ll actually have to think and come up with a good comeback. Or are you mor afraid that your entir groupthink will be dismantled and you won’t be able to handle reality anymore. Any system that doesn’t allow any form of dissent or difference of oppion, and quite like the liberals, when they attack charachtor instead of substance. That means they are afraid, what are you afraid of. Real dialogue? Why can’t judisim _handle_ dialogue. It should lol. And I’m here to bring a more grounded approach to reality so people can stop living in extrmism. It’s unhealthy. It’s unwarranted and also it doesn’t lead to good behavior down the line. Group think leads to anger hatred and control. Not sure why but It does and your exhibit a. Calm down and think. Instead of villifying and throwing stones how bout we allow for differences of thought. Everything I’m saying is completel. grounded in reality. Your just a fool lol it’s so so sad. Calm down. For someone who has all these holy oppinions and then admits to watching tv. I’m not the one who’s living diametrically apposed to judism. You are. If anything the fact that you admit to watching tv means all your opponions shouldn’t be taken seriously if your going to use your way of thinking on yourself lol.
You don’t conform to the Jewish way by watching tv. Why should anybody listen to you.
Cuz you know why? Cuz you can be right about something even if you don’t conform. Maybe you should extend that same decency to someone else. Nobody takes you seriously on here cuz you don’t just not use your own brain your sheep mentality fills you with so much blind rage it’s pathetic. Grow up Mr walking contradiction. Nothing you say makes sense anyways. Nobody should listen to you. You lost majority already. Go home. Go back to bed. Let people who actually think with clarity without dramatic hatred have a conversation for once. Ok!April 13, 2026 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #2534955rescueParticipant“A society that does not allow dialogue is often described as totalitarian or authoritarian, where the ruling class enforces silence to maintain control and prevent dissent. In Plato’s Republic, a fictional society is depicted where the “guardians” suppress dialogue among the lower classes, using censorship, deception, and institutionalized lies to keep the populace docile and unquestioning.
While such a society might achieve short-term stability through collective conformity and the suppression of individualism, it ultimately relies on fear and force rather than genuine social cohesion. Historical and philosophical critiques suggest that without the ability to engage in open dialogue or critical discourse, a society becomes fragile, as members cannot resolve disputes or adapt to changing conditions through negotiation or reason.
In real-world contexts, the absence of dialogue often leads to social fragmentation, emotional exhaustion, and the marginalization of those who attempt to remain neutral or seek compromise. Without the mechanism of dialogue, societies may resort to activism, ridicule, or exclusion to manage conflict, which erodes the foundations of a healthy democracy and respectful coexistence”
You agree with the above querty? Really? Anyone who does is a fool and a fascist show me where in any other situation you would consider the same thing done to you ok? You wouldn’t this is fascist behaviour. You think God is a fascist. Your a fool
April 13, 2026 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #2535055shkoyach r noachParticipantAgreed.
April 13, 2026 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #2535181dlmParticipantThank you qwerty613. He’s so annoying and I believe he knows it. And yes, you’re right H”M has already sent him to gehinnom, just look at how many posts he writes. One right after another. Confusion of mind and Verbal Diarrhea. He can’t stop, nor can he help himself. And, speaking to him is useless. He just goes on and on without aim or knowledge of what he is saying or doing. Once again, thank you for calling him a lunatic, because he is definitely cursed for disobeying Torah Laws right and left and H”M is not sorry for putting him in the position he is in. I’m sure of it. Be well.
April 14, 2026 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #2535238rescueParticipantHashem sent me to gehenim funny joke. You know what gehenim looks like. People living in extreme dogmatic lifatstyles that construct critical thinking and make life a living hell.
Gehenim is a pretty bad place. I’ve been there. But not anymore. Now I’m free. Sad that the chains and the cage that keeps your soul so angry and full of hatred, and stubborn is keeping you from true geulah which is freeing the mind from extrmism.
It’s like your a communist suffering and you were tought to hate anyone that wants to free you from your cage. But from the outside everyone can see how stupid and foolish you are. Only you can’t. So sad. It’s ok. You don’t really have a right to call me much of a lunatic cuz the lunacy is coming from your own extrmism. Shown only by the amount of hatred and blind vitreol that comes out every single time someone breathes differently then you. That doesn’t make me a lunatic. That’s makes you a lunatic. So instead of acting like a crazy liberal, calm down. Read. Think hmmm anylize. Bring actual arguments to the table otherwise your blind rage shows your true colors. That for the rest of your days your going to suffer from being a blind sheeple. Forever a puppet to the whims of extemism. When your ready to break out from your cage of dogma. Let me know until then stop crying that your life is so much unnecessary suffering and work this is what happens when you create an extemist mindset and take reality completly out of context to feed your fake ego of virtue lolApril 14, 2026 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #2535241rescueParticipantQuerty honestly if your calling me a lunatic, dunno if you read your posts but one or the most crazy retarded angry vitreol comes from you. Lol look in the mirror. Having a basic conversation without insults is literally impossible. Let’s see what the definition of lunatic is:
Lunacy;Affected by lunacy; mentally deranged.
Of or for people who are mentally deranged.
Wildly or giddily foolish.
a lunatic decision.Sounds like you querty. Maybe it’s time to calm down. And think. And have a real conversation for once without name calling.
April 14, 2026 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #2535293HaimyParticipantAt Matan Torah we all had a group think experience. We saw the mountain being held over our heads & were coerced to accept all of Torah Shebaal peh. It wasn’t until many years later after the nes of Purim that we reaccepted it willingly.
We also participated in the brochos & klalos at har gerizim vhar avol where we cursed anyone who doesn’t uphold the Torah. In other words, we ostracized those of us who refuse to obey the laws of the Torah. Just like society doesn’t accept thieves & murderers, a Torah society doesn’t accept open & willful desecration of Hashems will.
This is also for the greater good of society. If society condones immoral behavior, they will be influenced by it & begin to emulate it.
I’m not a frequent participant here but recent posts contained nivul peh, & a general lack of basic Torah background which led to statements of apikorsus.
Judaism doesn’t share any of the cruelty of the umos ho’olom.
Judaism is the perfect guideline for life made by a benevolent & merciful creator. Any comparison between the punishments of the Torah for certain sins, & the savagery of the nation’s of the world, is a complete disgrace of our sublime Torah.
A Jew who spent a few years learning in kollel would have the background in Torah knowledge, not to make these critical mistakes.April 14, 2026 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #2535486qwerty613ParticipantTo dlm
Let’s consider what the numbskull wrote yesterday in a different thread, “Querty I never said G-d has no right to keep our commandments.” What this functional illiterate meant is that we don’t have to keep G-d’s commandments. And I can prove that this was his intent from another post of his dated 2/4/26 on the thread involving Sheitels. “Do some halachos not make logical sense?” Alot of them don’t. Your(sic) allowed to admit that and speak the truth. Do you keep it anyways? Yes, but again that’s a personal choice.” So, we see this atheist’s attitude to our religion. If he feels like keeping something he does so, but if not, not.
To ujm
You are apparently a follower of leading Chareidi Rabbonim, so why have you ignored the Gedolim who banned using the internet? You are a total hypocrite. I can watch TV because my Rabbis permit doing so, but you reject the position of your own mentors. What a lowlife you are.
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