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May one take fully cooked dry food out of the fridge on Shabbos day and place on a hot plate with no knobs or controls? It has always been my understanding that since a hot plate is not a conventional cooking method (i.e. people would generally not use for cooking) that it would be fine and from what I understand being that it is a unconventional cooking method “Yad Soledes Bo” would not even be applicable as well. This seems to be a very confusing and unclear topic and I was wonderingwhat others may know about this. Thanks.
You really need to ask a Rav; it is a Machlokes of Modern Day Poskim, and we certainly cannot decide for you. Some believe that the hot plate is a normal method of cooking.
Most Poskim hold that is it Aish. Reb Moshe in general holds that any method of cooking (even a microwave) is Assur.
Microwave would be assur anyway, because of the electricity.
Why can’t you use electricity on shabbos (w/o sparks)?
Shouldnt, I was hoping for a better source then a chabad article (hint hint – the Chazon Ish.) 🙂
The ChazOn Ish says that completing a circuit is binyan. A single, unified device.
However, many poskim do not rule like the Chazon Ish; hence permitting usage of LED lights and the like, and electricity which does not involve sparks ( most do). But electricty unto itself, save for the Chazon Ish of Binyan which most poskim disagree with (R’ Moshe, R’ Shlomo Zalman ).
I recently spoke to a renowned Posek about opening a freezer (not dealing with the motor issue) and causing the LED lights to go on; he too permitted it.
Fluorescent lights, as well, would be permitted – but they have a sparker, hence certainly making them Aish. But the lights themselves would seem to be permitted (save for the Chazon Ish).
Practically, this has little application, as most electrical & motor appliances involve sparks at some point, and certainly in a D’Orayasah one would be wary of the words of the Chazon Ish, but I wanted to play Devil’s Advocate.
You really need to ask a Rav; it is a Machlokes of Modern Day Poskim, and we certainly cannot decide for you. Some believe that the hot plate is a normal method of cooking.
Most Poskim hold that is it Aish. Reb Moshe in general holds that any method of cooking (even a microwave) is Assur.
Microwave would be assur anyway, because of the electricity.
Why can’t you use electricity on shabbos (w/o sparks)?
Shouldnt, I was hoping for a better source then a chabad article (hint hint – the Chazon Ish.) 🙂
The ChazOn Ish says that completing a circuit is binyan. A single, unified device.
However, many poskim do not rule like the Chazon Ish; hence permitting usage of LED lights and the like, and electricity which does not involve sparks ( most do). But electricty unto itself, save for the Chazon Ish of Binyan which most poskim disagree with (R’ Moshe, R’ Shlomo Zalman ).
I recently spoke to a renowned Posek about opening a freezer (not dealing with the motor issue) and causing the LED lights to go on; he too permitted it.
Fluorescent lights, as well, would be permitted – but they have a sparker, hence certainly making them Aish. But the lights themselves would seem to be permitted (save for the Chazon Ish).
Practically, this has little application, as most electrical & motor appliances involve sparks at some point, and certainly in a D’Orayasah one would be wary of the words of the Chazon Ish, but I wanted to play Devil’s Advocate.
I just am not a good writer and typist so I took the easy way out
and did a Google search, I had only two choices 1) from a xXX.edu 2)Chabad. I opted for Chabad I have gotten some pretty good stuff from them. Truth is I did not read this particular one.
As far as I know consensus is issur D’Rbanan. Your Rav was referring to a ???? ???? ??? ???? ??-? which is Mutar in a Issur D’Rabann (Pri Megadim ?)
In the case of a D’Orayasah the Chazon Ish is not a factor
dear yanky55- thank you for your input. This is how I remember it too from my old days, with two “shinuyim”- are you saying that you can put the actual food (dry ,I imagine)back on the fire on the blech? I remember that we could only put it on the side to warm up- not directly on the fire. Maybe this is why R” Joshe Ber uses the logic of “shehyah” to allow that. (omly with dry food) Thanks for your input.
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