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anIsraeliYid -“Health – stub one’s toe, bend a finger – what’s the difference? The point of the Gemara is that even the most minor of movements is the Ratzon of HKBH. It’s a stretch to read that Gemara as saying that only punishments are from Him. The reference to stubbing a toe is more logically read as including something as minor as stubbing a toe rather than exluding non-punishment effects.”

Did e/o here learn in the same MO Yeshiva or is when one Zionist says something e/o comes to his defense? Did you even look up the Gemorrah before you posted your Pshat? If you would have looked it up -the way I said is Pshat is Not in the least debatable. All the Reshonim (the ones I saw) learn the Pshat that it means only some sort of pain. There no reason to pick stubbing your toe if it means any action. The Gemmorah could have written scratching your head or something similar that people do more often. This has nothing to do with everything comes from Hashem. That Gemmorah is elsewhere and says “Everything comes from Heaven except fear of Heaven and some say except cold and hot.”

“Re: your anti-Zionist posts – Have you ever even opened any of the seforim of Rabbonim who supported Zionism? You keep repeating that it’s Kefira and Avoda Zara, but have not given on-point responses when others have stated why they believe otherwise. I agree that there are Shitos that disagree with Zionism, and have learned both sides of the issue before reaching my own conclusions – but I made sure that I had the knowledge to make an informed decission. What about you?”

Listen, I’ve read the Zionist Shittos here umteen times over the years posted by the Zionists here. And I’ve also posted many times -noone who held you can make a Medina before Moshiach from those Gedolim would ever agree to this Medina because these Zionists made the State based on their Kefira of Hashem.

Not just this but the early Zionists were terrorists and committed atrocities against Sefardi Jews. So are you really sure you made an informed decision or perhaps you were brainwashed by the Zionists?