to hakatan and health and kanoi next door: what you wrote about history and HKBH’s will comes very close to real kefirah. I don’t particularly follow the gedolim that you mention. I would ask them-and you- a very simple question: The Rambam’s FIRST ani maamim reads as follows (Artscroll translation): “I believe with complete faith that the Creator, Blessed is His Name,creates and guides all creatures,and that He alone makes, and will make evertything”. Do you believe that the medinah was established against the will of HKBH? A very simple answer- yes or no?
