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Frumladygit; In your last paragraph you advise that “Someone should just go in (To a Starbucks)with a video camera and order something…. and ask to be shown around where they wash the dishes, etc… ; Do you really believe that they’re so naive to show you around when you’re holding a video camera in your hands?! But if they get official OU certification, I trust the OU if they tell me that it’s 100% OK to buy a coffee from Starbucks.