oomis: it’s unfortunate that you are resorting to attacking me, when for the past couple of days we have managed to keep this thread civil. It is cynical to portray yourself as a victim, while not hesitating to insult others.
My remark was completely valid on a number of points. We don’t know what Reb Moshe’s “family and Talmidim” really hold other than one poster’s unfounded assertion. We don’t know who is included in “family and Talmidim”, if ANYONE ever said such a thing. How do you know we are referring to “ehrliche talmidei chachamim and rabbanim to boot”? We have no way of confirming such RUMORS, since the poster did not mention specific name, and information that can not be confirmed or denied is always suspect. Especially when it contradicts 3 written psakim of Reb Moshe himself. Give me one verifiable source, a Rav I can call up and ask if its true he said it is muttar and why. I think we have clearly demonstrated that the technical details of the older stoves are IRRELEVANT, no matter how they were made they could not possibly have ever been muttar to extinguish. If there is a misunderstanding here, which I have clearly written that I think there is and you attacked me for saying it, it is either on the part of the baalei batim who misunderstood their Rabbonim or on the part of the Rabbonim who misunderstood the Halacha. I think the first is the more attractive option, if you insist you can NOT possibly make a mistake you are shifting the blame to the Rabbonim. Mavir and electric ignition are completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, we are discussing kibuyi when turning the oven off. I can’t argue about what was done in previous generations, but I still have not heard any indication that it was acceptable to any Rabbonim.
To me the situation is analogous to someone eating cheeseburgers because his Rav said that meat and milk are permitted. However the Rav didn’t say “together” of course, and only meant there is no obligation to be a “vegan”.