Rabbi: ON THE CONTRARY, I think you misunderstood Joseph, but I understood his words to be along the same lines as mine. He and I actually reached the same conclusion, even citing the same example, just wording it differently. : Hitler, and Pharoh were instruments of Hashem, just as reform and Zionism were. That does not absolve us from doing the right thing.
(Joseph, am I misunderstanding you or his he?)
Rabbi, we will have to defer this discussion for another time. To all of you, have a good Shabbos and an easy fast, and may the wishes invoked here for Moshiach translate into reality , Amen.