AAQ> And those who use it here are simply representative of much larger community that use this loshon. See Steipler’s letter.
YYA> The Steipler’s letter? Get real. He was talking about misrepresentation of Halacha, not Israeli secular law.
Maybe I am taking Steipler’s position too far – I am thinking the letter would kal vehomer include all kind of lying (of which he does not
accuse his opponents). Do you disagree?