Reply To: circa 1900: Letter from Lubavitcher Rebbe, the Heresy of “Religious” Zionism

@always_ask_questions
>I think multiple people answered that what was anti-religious Zionism 100 years ago does not exist today. There is just nothing to argue then.

The kefira of zionism has nothing to do with it being “anti-religious”.

the anti-religious aspect is a separate (very serious) issue, one that is still very much relevant today, but still not the core issue of zionist heresy.

this is explicit in the first paragraph of the subject of this post, and has been well reaffirmed consistently; in every generation of Torah leaders since. “Religious” zionism is worse than secular zionism because it pushes kefira with a more brazen fraudulent veneer of kashrus into the Torah world (as you can clearly see on this website).

>Not everyone is holding at high level of religiosity as you are.

I’m not claiming any levels. this discussion is about basics of being a yid and claiming membership in klal yisorel. I’m sorry you zionism has taken you so far off that you feel like being a kosher yid is too out of reach. However, the doorways to teshiva are always open. The first step is recognizing where you are trying to go.

>(1) do not expect others to subsidize your madregah,

I’m not sure what you mean by this. The normative Torah world (read “not the novel Aguda approach”) adamantly rejects any funding from the zionist state. The “Aguda” camp also rejects benefiting money from the state, but claim a heter of “taking back our own tax dollars”.

I don’t think it is useful to argue what may or may not be going on in the real Agudah-styles world today regarding this point, as the founding treatise explaining Agudah’s approach – Biyos Hazman – spells out clearly that the great danger of taking any money from the state that might lead to taking more than the “heter” might allow and/or distorting the views of Agudah leadership because of the shochad intrinsic in receiving money.

>(2) behave towards others according to the level you expect Hashem to grant you. Somehow, I see a lot of non-politeness coming from your camp. Satmar Rebbe was known for his sense of humor, maybe at least show that.

if you are attacking me personally here, please point out anywhere I have been anything but polite. If you are talking about other people, I can’t imagine any toeles in continuing down this path of lushen horeh.