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yankel berel
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@hakatan

You pathetically imitate my post while bringing zero sources in attempting to portray my shitah as accepting an idol chv’sh.
The fact is and remains , that katan brought zero proof that Zionism is absolutely both heresy and idolatry, by logic and proof only, even without the gedolim saying so.

According to katan , every form of Zionism believes in at least two things:
1. Judaism is a Nationality, not (only) a religion, and Zionism is the current manifestation of that Nationality..
2. The Zionist “State” is the Nation-State of that religion.

the facts however speak for themselves.

1a] The Torah recognizes that Judaism is a nationality. Multiple times klal yisrael are being described with the moniker of ‘am’ . Which translates as ‘Nation’.

1b] I disagree that Zionism believes that they themselves are the sole manifestation of that nationality. I myself happen to know many Zionists who would clearly disagree with you on this point. And who consider themselves to be proud Zionists.

2] The furthest I can go towards you , is to state that according to Zionism , this State is the only one on the planet where Jews are the majority , and therefore govern themselves, without nominal jurisdiction from non Jews.

So, the torah does not disagree with the above stated points [1a-1b-2] . Vehemently or non vehemently .
There is no proof for any disagreement at all

You are beyond silly for pretending otherwise.
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