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Chaim87
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Here are 5 reasons why one need respond to vyoel Moshe
1) it’s not a Halacha as in Shabbos or gitten. It’s a prohibition based on aggadata which makes irs hashkafa.
2) Only those who banned it had to write a Sefer. That’s because you can’t do action to prove it’s prohibited. But those who feel it’s allowed and al pi Torah, could just do actions that prove it
Note the next 3 are important points
3) The Satmar Reba in his fire for purity created an environment that made it impossible physically to write a Sefer or debate him. It isn’t my place to knock such a holy Jew and it may have been his chasdim, but it was nearly impossible to even try. Ask klausenberg. So this idea why didn’t anyone dispute him is a silly argument. Because it was impossible to dispute him.
4) by the time the Sefer came out, it was really a history debate. It was after 1948 and the state was a done deal. There really was no longer a question whether we should support a state rather it’s if we should cooperate. So why debate history?
5) The secular nature of the state and the rasha Ben gurion yms shmad and evilness anyhow provided a reason to
Oppose the state anyhow. And so at that point would it matter anymore if Zionism is evil. Secularism and especially when it out to shmad the frum is for sure evil. Even Rizhyin agrees to that . And so so why debate the issue if at the end of the day we agree on opposing it for whatever reason.
Here is where #5 makes a difference. What about post Menachim Begaon when the govt started being much more charedi friendly? By then it was the very end of the Reba Zya life