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I looked at vayoel moshe several times . He for sure gives the impression that he is of the opinion which Katan is propagating on these pages. But even while learning his sefer , I could not come to any clarity as to the absolute proofs to his shitah .
The mere fact that he says that it is against the 13 ikarim is not enough for me [/ us].
I [and all the non – Satmar Jewish Orthodox world] are not his talmidim or his hasidim.
So , if not for re’ayot muhrahot to this shitah , we do not see ourselves obligated to follow his da’at yahid in this respect that even a non zionist medina is against ikarei emuna.
Nor should we be influenced by katan’s exaggerations about other rabanim who according to katan also held by his shitah.
For sure since following katan’s overblown hashkafa is being used as an excuse for curtailing US Government support for the medina.
[Cf, US Senate Majority Leader’s quote of Satmar as part of his Senate speech for withholding certain arm shipments.]
All the while the medina is surrounded by bloodthirsty monsters who would make [chvsh] the Yazidi’s lot considered paradise compared to those of the Jews under their domination.
The unspeakable atrocities of Oct 7 are ample proof.
It is clear that the overwhelming majority of gdolei yisrael disagreed with this satmar proposition.
There even is a niggling hashash that even satmar rav himself did not fully hold that the mere existence of the medina is against the ikarei emuna.
As mentioned before – and ignored by katan – Hafets Hayim writes clearly that it is permitted for a rebbi or parent to exaggerate the rish’ut and danger to a pupil or child in order to get the child to distance from the danger.
There are certain internal contradictions in Satmar which point towards this idea.
But this is for another post.
lema’aseh , the topic here is whether existence of a medina before mashiach is against ikarei emuna . If yes, which one and how so ?