CS:
Obviously you’re ignorant of the medrash that depict this scenario as I posted on our other conversation some time ago to avira. In addition it’s in the classic sources that certain tzaddikim will have techias hameisim early. If I finish all the tasks needed to bring Moshiach (especially if I have 9 other yidden with me), it’s entirely plausible that I’ll go to the Ohel of the Rebbe and demand that he lead the Geula as we’re already all living in Geula mode spiritually. And it will happen.
Another scenario is that a certain person will be “Moshiachs assistant” and lead the Geula here on Earth using all the tasks and power left in our instruction manual. In fact this person is already on the planet in the wake of the tragedy of October 7. In that case, The Rebbe would be the honorary Golus Moshiach and the Assistant who led the Geula physically will be crowned Moshiach. The Rebbe hinted at this option in the sicha regarding Kaisar and Palgei Kaiser. Look it up if you wish.
YB:
For two thousand years we have not had the crookedness of loud public belief of mashiach coming back .
All Jews knew the first answer to a Xtian missionary – Where are all the promises of the nevi’im in J’s lifetime ??
As RAMBAN put it so eloquently [in his sefer havikuach] THE FACT THAT THOSE PROMISES WERE NOT FULFILLED IN HIS LIFETIME IS AMPLE PROOF TO THE FALSEHOOD OF THEIR CLAIM.
Mashiach dying and coming back IS definitely xtian.
Thats RAMBAN’s view.
btw -There is not one Orthodox Jew on this planet who does not regard RAMBAN as one the gdolei hador and all Jews from his times onwards agreed.
RAMBAN can be safely assumed to have known the whole torah, including any midrash CS’s search engine might produce.
and nevertheless stated that
THE FACT THAT THOSE PROMISES WERE NOT FULFILLED IN HIS LIFETIME IS AMPLE PROOF TO THE FALSEHOOD OF THEIR CLAIM.
We [plural – the ENTIRE klal yisrael in ALL generations since] rely on RAMBAN for everything, ranging from isurei de’oraytah hamurim to inyanei hashkafa hamurim .
So when tiny teensy CS [huge understatement] wants to overrule RAMBAN based on some midrash her search engine supplied her with, we [the entire klal yisrael] should send her packing on a long one way trip to the desert.
Bear in mind that this midget of a CS confessed the following : “I naturally find the nitty gritty debate of oxen and people challenging and uninspiring (btw so does my brother but he has a chiyuv anyway and I don’t!]”
The above is a self portrait of the ‘BAT PLUGTA” of the RAMBAN ….. Shomu shamayim.
Hu Asher Dibarnu ….
You [plural] either joke about it. Or change topics.
Or pretend that an obvious non answer will do the job. [YB to CS]
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