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@pure yiddishkeit,
Ill start with syaing that your comment is just from a modern day brainwashing’s of whityewashing facts They never taught you the truth because that would change your narritve.
Chafetz chaim: People are very quick to make a stink of one comment that the chafetz chaim said to one person pirvately. And the turth is he didn’t hold of everything R kook did. But FACTS are he walked out of a convetnion in front of hundreds of people for the kovod of R Kook. This is undisputable vs your one on one comment. It was a public display. Furthermore, R Kook shever helped write the chafetz chaim’s sefer (I believe the one about being drafted and fighting). After the Aderes was nifter he asked R kook to help. Thats a fact.
Birska Rav didn’t even have a yeshiva and had maybe 100 talmidum. Stamar compared to aguda was tiny. Sorry the list of gedolim and followers on the other side was tiny compared to what Stamar had. That’s simply a fact.
Now some of those you list who “agreed” are nonsense. The skulner never did such a thing and nevr tooka stand. Furthermore, let me tell you something aboiut the skulner reba’s rebbe. Do you knwo he was a talmud of the Shtfeneshta reba? Ypu probably neve rheard of him because your narrow world only the kaniom were gedolim. But the shtefenshta reba had a picture of Herzel in his study. Again public knoweldge. Everyone knows that the skulner’s rebbe was a proud Zionist. In fact all Rizyhna rebas were proud zionists.
Now bobov : R shlomola disn’t mix in nor get involved in this.
Most of the other gedolim listed were on the badatz so yes they were against zionsim too. Thats true.
Chazan ish was mixed becuase he was pro voting.
The puppa, Tosha reba and vzhnitza are more modern day rabbonim and don’t count as part of this machlokos.
To the commenter about Punivtcha rav and hallel. Firstly I believe on the first year he said. Secondly, The punvitcha rav was a bit of a politican who said things at all times. But if you look at him in his entity you’ll see he was pro zionsim. in 1952 by the big hanchas even hapinah of the Punvitch grounds he had all the non frum left wing cehvra haknest there some were star speakers. The eidah wrote patchkeviln and hung sings all opver the streets of meah shearim against the Punvitcha. The land of the yeshiva is from his best friend back in telz or the breakoff who became frie and an influential knesset member. So yes he was a zionist.
Now here is the thing. We all agree that- “secularism” is bad. And so once the war ended and the state of israel was formed, the opposition and fights became more about how to we deal with secularism trying to be imposed on our torah in the modern day. The question was no longer should there be a state but rather how do we fight secularism? And so in that sense it became more popular and sensible to adopt the Satmar reba shita to oppose a “secular” govt. But in as much as the actual idea of having a state before moshiach and zionsim itself, its not so clear. And you may have a list of what i count 10 or so gedolim. (ike is aid the post 1960 gedolim don’t count) however, i can list 50 that said a state is is the torah way (Not a secular one but yes a state)
