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@Chaim87,
You make me laugh!
The Chafetz Chaim walked out? huh?
The Chafetz Chaim, when being shown a piece written by “rav” kook about playing football to build muscles and boys and girls dancing together having the ma’alah of tikun chatzot – afra lepumei, he wouldn’t touch the paper, instead shoving it with his elbow to the floor and shouting – “kook, shmook drook!” Apikoires!

And then you say “Satmar Rebs and briska Rav were very holy and anti DL. But they weren’t the mainstream of klal Yisroel”.

So quite clearly you outline yourself as DL or MO, because, whether you are a satmar chassid or not, a brisker or not, to say they were not the “mainstream” means only one thing, that what you call mainstream and what most people call mainstream is obviously not the same thing.
The biggest lie is that they wer “da’as yachid” (funny thing to be able to call more than one Gadol in the singular term Da’as Yachid).

Let’s get this straight, if you have an agenda here, than yes, anyone who veers from the path of zionist idol worship (or at least in some way seemed to have a positive view partly even), is not mainstream.
But if you follow and want the truth lets go through this:

The Satmar Rav was NOT a da’as yachid for many reasons but two basic reasons:

1) Many Rabbanim, Posikim and Rebbe’s agreed and followed that way, which only after the war was branded the “satmar shita”. before it was the common core belief of most frum, ehrlich, shomrei shabbat in the world.
It was after the Satmar Rav was machriah a big shailah in the form of his sefer Vayoel Moshe, that many Gedolim either agreed that that was what should be followed, or agreed in principle but in certain specific circumstances argued.
Those Gedolim and Poskim who did agree might have not got that much coverage and backing by hamodia or even the opposite (just like the Satmar Rav who during his lifetinme was cursed and mevazeh by so called “frum” news outlets, but became a kadosh once he was niftar), but the fact remains they were Gedolim alright, e.g.
1) The Veitziner Rav – beforhand the Bergen Belsen Rav, who was the main posek after the war in the area of agunot, and his psakim are used in that area until today,
2) The Pupa Rav, who was both a major Posek and one of the first Marbitzei Torah after the war, opening a Yeshiva after the war in the USA,
3) Rav Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld (- before the war), who sent a sheila to the Satmar rav about what the Da’as Torah on “rav” kook is (at the time Rav Zonnenfeld was probably in his eighties whilst the Satmar Rav was maybe in his early thirties but Rav Zonnendfeld felt that he needed to ask him), and the Teshuva is printed in Shu”t Divrei Yoel 131 or 132,
4) Rav Zelig bengis,
5) Rav Pinchas Yungreis,
6) Rav Avraham Kalmanovitch (Mir USA),
7) Vadislaver rav,
8) Tosher Rebbe,
9) Skulener Rebbes,
10) The Bobover Rebbe’s (although in many areas they mostly didn’t publicly speak, besides for Rav Naftuli of Bobov who was much more vocal),
11) Rav Mottele Vizhnitzer (USA),
12) The Brisker Rav,
13) The Chazon Ish,
and the list goes on an on.
(these examples were not gedolim who followed every word of Vayoel Moshe only, but also who generally agreed with the outlook, even if certain specifics were paskened otherwise).

However they are all not mainstream because of their outright anti-zionism, aha i get it, by you zionism is the mainstream? fine then B”H I am not from the mainstream..