Reply To: Why The Zionists Have a Point Leshitosom

@Square

The Gemara in Bava Basrah knew all your quotes from Tanach.

That is why I quoted the Chasam Sofer who differentiates between the times of Galus and the times when we were rightfully in our land and it was considered a war between two countries.

It is true that the Zionists think that the Geulah started in 1948 with a bunch of mechallelei Shabbos and Sonei Torah, and in their eyes it is all the same, but most Chareidim in Israel do not believe that and according to their view it is like any problem with the Goyim in Galus so Talmidei Chachamim are exempt.

@Gadolhadorah

The fact that the 1200 people who were nebach murdered wouldn’t agree is #1 they were mainly nonreligious people and I don’t think a Gemara in Baba Basrah really talks to them, and #2 it says it is a shemira for the Talmidei Chachamim themselves.

Actually the Gemara on Daf 8 says in the name of Rebbi that all misfortunes come upon us BECAUSE of Amei Haaretz.