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Avi K
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Avira,

1. DeHaan was writing libelous articles in gentile European newspapers. Being that I want my response to be published, I will not denote his motives. They are well-known. Rav Sonnenfeld wanted unlimited Jewish emigration and thought that he could get it by giving up on the idea of statehood. However, the Arabs knew that at some point they would not be able to hold onto control. They never would have agreed. Thus, the Faisal-Weizman Agreement also failed.
2. If frum Jews had come to EY en masse as Rav Kook urged, Israel would have been a Torah state from the beginning. Instead, it is taking longer.
3. The rest of your post is nonsense. Shuls in America have police guards. A frum Jew who works in the general job market just might be fired for speaking against toeva. The media constantly attacks Orthodox Judaism. Assimilation is rampant and also affects the frum community.

Historian,

1. The State of Israel is a Torah commandment (see Ramban, Mitzvot that Rambam “Forgot”).
2. As for the hareid? community, Rav Kook explains that this approach made them unable to start the Geula rolling. They were passively waiting for Mashiach to fall from heaven. However, we must do hishtadlut as in everything else. They did not want to revach v’hatzala came from others.
3.Tell me, would you have advised Yehoshua b?n Nin to try to make peace with the Canaanites? Would you have advised David haMelech to take peaceful steps to avoid the Plishtim’s hatred?