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Joseph
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adocs: Which is why I addressed my initial response only to Milhouse, since he’s the only commenter who I found to make substantiative points on this discussion that required feedback.

My point in my admittedly exaggerated examples of penalties is to differentiate the halachic consequences of various examples of governmental punishments. Is there a halachic distinction (insofar as mesira is concerned) between a penalty of $10, $95, $1,000, $35,000 or of imprisonment? Who decides where it becomes excessive in the eyes of Halacha.

My separate above request for clarification of Milhouse’s “reasonable attempt” point also still stands. It is also, probably, the more substantiative clarification required between the two questions based on Rabbi Milhouse’s position.